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  Maddison, WI Shool Shooting - 3 Dead

  by Sea Breeze in

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  like the one in tennessee, this one in maddison, wi, was done be a female.

  the police chief points out that: .

  “yes, i don’t know whether [the shooter] was transgender or not, and quite frankly, i don’t think that’s even important.

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  Liam
  This is just another "Normal Day" in the life of Homo-Sapiens.
  In America, the lefties will always blame the Guns.
  But in the Global sphere, the same thing is happening Every Single Day, even in Countries when Guns are banned.

  Sorry Liam, this is false info. The U.S. has a huge problem with guns. There are only 2 or 3 other countries in the world with more gun related homicides. Those countries are Latin American and run by drug cartels.

  You may believe it's everyones right to own a gun, that's another argument but at least be honest about the consequences.
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  Why Did God Create Us?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  jesus is the creator god, but why did he create us?

  what say you?.

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  Man created god to explain the endless cruelty and injustice of the world that left them feeling helpless.

  Why did a good mother lose 3 of her 8 children before the age of 1, and then died in childbirth with the last one?

  Why did lightning kill an entire family in a small stone age community as they huddled in their pathetic hut to shelter from the storm?

  Why does the ground tremble?

  Why do floods kill innocent children?

  What is lightning?

  The only reason we know the answer to these questions is science and research. However, religion is already a part of the human condition and has evolved and passed from generation to generation in some form.

  Religion is like a drug that dulls the senses and allows humans to escape reality. It is completely understandable that it was invented by early humans to allow them to cope with a world that doesnt care about feelings.

  Humans crave just, loving gods and an afterlife because we refuse to believe that this is all there is.
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  Why Did God Create Us?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. beliefs

  jesus is the creator god, but why did he create us?

  what say you?.

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  "WHY DID MAN CREATE GOD?"

  There you go Sea Breeze - I fixed it for you.

  You're welcome.
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  aqwsed12345

  @joey jojo

  You noted that if the Trinity were "cut and dry," it wouldn’t require extensive explanation. However, the complexity of the Trinity arises because it attempts to articulate the nature of God—a being beyond full human comprehension.

  If articulation of the nature of god is too complex for human minds, why do you insist on your point of view being the correct one? You are admitting that no one can understand it.

  Maybe the complexity of the trinity arises because it makes no logical sense.
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  joey jojo

  There are walls of text on this topic in this thread. There are even charts supplied by Sea Breeze. Surely if the trinity doctrine was so cut and dry - even obvious, none of this would be necessary.

  A lot of the scriptures 'supporting' the trinity are bible commentators saying what they believe to be the case, not quotes directly from jesus and these are mostly from John. Objectively speaking, that raises concerns.

  The most basic example of this paradox is Jesus (the word) himself saying, ' the father is greater than I'. Then you have John, who says, 'the word was god'.

  What about the quote from jesus at Matt 24:36? 'No one knows the day or hour but the father'? How can anyone possibly read that verse and decide it means that jesus = god, without serious mental gymnastics?

  Im waiting for the 3000 word reply. Please include more charts - there can never be enough.
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  peacefulpete
  I see someone gave me a negative. Was something in the comment incorrect?

  It wasnt me.

  The Jewish religion almost universally rejects the notion of a trinity. There are hints of polytheism in the old testament but that is completely different than a trinity.

  Gen 1:26 is an interesting scripture in the context of this discussion. To use the phrase 'like one of us' almost sounds like man is equal to god. Believers of the trinity certainly extrapolate more meaning into other verses with far less substance to support the idea that jesus = god.
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  joey jojo

  Why dont Jews believe in a trinity? I would think that the voice of the people that wrote the old testament would carry some weight and be taken into consideration by christians?
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  joey jojo

  aqwsed12345 and Sea Breeze,

  You write your replies in a way that makes it seem like the trinitarian belief was a foregone conclusion in early christianity.

  It wasnt. There is no specific, defined trinity doctrine that originated from Jesus. This is undisputed fact.

  Belief in the trinity leans heavily on John, written late and containing a different type of gospel than the other 3 - that doesnt concern you?

  It is hardly surprising that Ignatius, Polycarp, Hippolytus and Ireaneus, all followers of John are mentioned. They essentially are part of the 'school of John'.

  Personally, I dont care, I just find the debate interesting from a historical point of view. I am always astonished how some people feel that a 'belief' that was agreed upon by men nearly 2000 years ago is the best we could come up with and it doesnt need any clarifications and to question it today indicates gross heresy. There arent a lot of other beliefs that have withstood the test of time since then, why is faith different?

  To me its as ridiculous as arguing whether Zeus or Mars wore white or red robes.
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  aqwsed12345
  The wisdom that "orders all things gently" did not permit the great mystery to blaze forth fully at once. The "sun" of this truth, at the moment of its rising, was not allowed to reach its zenith immediately, dazzling and intimidating all with its brightness. Instead, its early rays, filtering through the clouds of restraint, needed to accustom souls gradually, preparing them step by step to receive the full understanding of the mystery.

  These are essentially the same words that the GB uses when they make stuff up too.
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  joey jojo

  aqwsed - Im not an expert on this subject but your responses are clear manifestations of your faith. Faith does not require proof- just belief.

  This subject has been argued for and against. There is no clear, undeniable proof that jesus is god- equal to the father and if it was true, there should be absolutely no doubt about the subject. Jesus himself would have made it crystal clear. But he didnt.

  I say this with respect, this subject is a matter of faith.